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		<title>By: Snowman</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-14718</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you need do is send Independent Newspapers an account for your content which they had lifted without requesting permission ... photographers do so too.  (Suggestion:  R5,000-00)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you need do is send Independent Newspapers an account for your content which they had lifted without requesting permission &#8230; photographers do so too.  (Suggestion:  R5,000-00)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-9441</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Friday Morning 18 September the local Port Elizabeth newspaper printed a Letter to the Editor - 90% of it lifted straight from the MyPE web site with no accreditation whatsover.

After my &#039;small&#039; grumble about it on Saturday they printed an apology in the 21 September edition.

So, Seth, it seems like SOME traditional media are acknowledging the need to play nice and credit online sources.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mype.co.za/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=3896&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See the Grumble and apology&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Friday Morning 18 September the local Port Elizabeth newspaper printed a Letter to the Editor &#8211; 90% of it lifted straight from the MyPE web site with no accreditation whatsover.</p>
<p>After my &#8217;small&#8217; grumble about it on Saturday they printed an apology in the 21 September edition.</p>
<p>So, Seth, it seems like SOME traditional media are acknowledging the need to play nice and credit online sources.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mype.co.za/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=3896" rel="nofollow">See the Grumble and apology</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Halle</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8803</link>
		<dc:creator>Halle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, agreed, credit should have been given where credit is due. I think your blog is fabulous. I have now told some friends about it as well.

JimBeam &quot;I’m sure Halle just trolled search engines on the subject to add her “invaluable” input on every blog to support Brandon.&quot;?

No. This is the first and only blog where I showed support for Brandon. I liked its flow, the comments and the fact that it was more personal. I was mad and expressed my thoughts at some of the comments. Freedom of speech:)

Although I have now read the &quot;Brandon&quot; story many times over, in many different versions from all over the world. I have to say that I&#039;m not one to go comment and repeat my self in a useless fashion.  The person who matters knows he has a great deal of support from me and everyone around him.

Also,I strongly resent being called possibly his &quot;ex&quot; by the journalist in question.  You guys have seen the pictures. If I came out looking like that, the Dr. would have slapped my mama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, agreed, credit should have been given where credit is due. I think your blog is fabulous. I have now told some friends about it as well.</p>
<p>JimBeam &#8220;I’m sure Halle just trolled search engines on the subject to add her “invaluable” input on every blog to support Brandon.&#8221;?</p>
<p>No. This is the first and only blog where I showed support for Brandon. I liked its flow, the comments and the fact that it was more personal. I was mad and expressed my thoughts at some of the comments. Freedom of speech:)</p>
<p>Although I have now read the &#8220;Brandon&#8221; story many times over, in many different versions from all over the world. I have to say that I&#8217;m not one to go comment and repeat my self in a useless fashion.  The person who matters knows he has a great deal of support from me and everyone around him.</p>
<p>Also,I strongly resent being called possibly his &#8220;ex&#8221; by the journalist in question.  You guys have seen the pictures. If I came out looking like that, the Dr. would have slapped my mama!</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8791</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan wrote: &quot;Scroll down to the Compare To: box, below the pretty graph you see on Alexa.com with the 2Oceansvibe statistics and then type in capetimes.co.za then click on the Compare button.&quot;

The discussion was about the print edition of the Cape Times, not the website. The website is a piece of crap that bears no relation to the print version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan wrote: &#8220;Scroll down to the Compare To: box, below the pretty graph you see on Alexa.com with the 2Oceansvibe statistics and then type in capetimes.co.za then click on the Compare button.&#8221;</p>
<p>The discussion was about the print edition of the Cape Times, not the website. The website is a piece of crap that bears no relation to the print version.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8784</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;•  Spike Says: 
&gt;September 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pm 
&gt;“Rashid Says:
&gt;September 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
&gt;Local rags such as the Cape Times and the Cape Argus tend to be quite slow on the pick up when it comes to international news. I tend to avoid them as they give me a strong sense of déjà-vu.”
&gt;If you avoid them, how do you know they are “quite slow on the pick up”? Make up your mind.

Did you actually read the comment properly? If you did, you would have noticed that the word “tend” was placed before “to avoid”. 
Are you familiar with the meaning of the word “tend”?  It has a similar meaning to “inclination”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;•  Spike Says:<br />
&gt;September 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pm<br />
&gt;“Rashid Says:<br />
&gt;September 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm<br />
&gt;Local rags such as the Cape Times and the Cape Argus tend to be quite slow on the pick up when it comes to international news. I tend to avoid them as they give me a strong sense of déjà-vu.”<br />
&gt;If you avoid them, how do you know they are “quite slow on the pick up”? Make up your mind.</p>
<p>Did you actually read the comment properly? If you did, you would have noticed that the word “tend” was placed before “to avoid”.<br />
Are you familiar with the meaning of the word “tend”?  It has a similar meaning to “inclination”.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8782</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erm gentlemen and not so gentlemen, statistics do not lie.

Go to: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/2oceansvibe.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2Oceansvibe Alexa Statistics&lt;/a&gt; to see independently assessed statistics for 2Oceansvibe.

Scroll down to the Compare To: box, below the pretty graph you see on Alexa.com with the 2Oceansvibe statistics and then type in capetimes.co.za then click on the Compare button.

Read &#039;em and weep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erm gentlemen and not so gentlemen, statistics do not lie.</p>
<p>Go to: <a href="http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/2oceansvibe.com" rel="nofollow">2Oceansvibe Alexa Statistics</a> to see independently assessed statistics for 2Oceansvibe.</p>
<p>Scroll down to the Compare To: box, below the pretty graph you see on Alexa.com with the 2Oceansvibe statistics and then type in capetimes.co.za then click on the Compare button.</p>
<p>Read &#8216;em and weep.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8765</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask any advertising agency - Cape Times&#039;s audited circulation (Audit Bureau of Circulation), ie sales, is between 49 000 and 51 000. Their All Media Products (Amps) figures, which the ad agencies use to calculate the cost of ad placement, is in the region of 280 000 readers. The Cape Times has all but eliminated bulk from their figures. The only bulk they do is sampling, ie handing out free copies in targeted areas to encourage subscriptions, and that is legitimate.

Your statement that Cape Times circulation &quot;is a third of that at best&quot; is rubbish - if that were true, advertisers would have taken the newspaper to court years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask any advertising agency &#8211; Cape Times&#8217;s audited circulation (Audit Bureau of Circulation), ie sales, is between 49 000 and 51 000. Their All Media Products (Amps) figures, which the ad agencies use to calculate the cost of ad placement, is in the region of 280 000 readers. The Cape Times has all but eliminated bulk from their figures. The only bulk they do is sampling, ie handing out free copies in targeted areas to encourage subscriptions, and that is legitimate.</p>
<p>Your statement that Cape Times circulation &#8220;is a third of that at best&#8221; is rubbish &#8211; if that were true, advertisers would have taken the newspaper to court years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: fredhatman</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8764</link>
		<dc:creator>fredhatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alan Third of a million? Where did you hear/read that? In an Indescribable Newspapers title? Ask them about the copies they offload on to schools etc so that they can be included in the ABC figures? They call it &quot;bulk copies&quot;. Big scam. Cape Crimes circ is a third of that, at best... but you&#039;d have to be the MD to know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan Third of a million? Where did you hear/read that? In an Indescribable Newspapers title? Ask them about the copies they offload on to schools etc so that they can be included in the ABC figures? They call it &#8220;bulk copies&#8221;. Big scam. Cape Crimes circ is a third of that, at best&#8230; but you&#8217;d have to be the MD to know!</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8758</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rashid Says: 
September 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm 
Local rags such as the Cape Times and the Cape Argus tend to be quite slow on the pick up when it comes to international news. I tend to avoid them as they give me a strong sense of déjà-vu.&quot;

If you avoid them, how do you know they are &quot;quite slow on the pick up&quot;? Make up your mind.

Alan Says: 
September 8th, 2009 at 8:05 am 
&quot;The Cape Crimes and all other traditional media lose credibility on a daily basis.&quot;

If that&#039;s the case, why do nearly a third of a million Capetonians read the Cape Times daily?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rashid Says:<br />
September 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm<br />
Local rags such as the Cape Times and the Cape Argus tend to be quite slow on the pick up when it comes to international news. I tend to avoid them as they give me a strong sense of déjà-vu.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you avoid them, how do you know they are &#8220;quite slow on the pick up&#8221;? Make up your mind.</p>
<p>Alan Says:<br />
September 8th, 2009 at 8:05 am<br />
&#8220;The Cape Crimes and all other traditional media lose credibility on a daily basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, why do nearly a third of a million Capetonians read the Cape Times daily?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Rotherham</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8753</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Rotherham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*yawn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*yawn</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8749</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That picture (&quot;A traditional printing press&quot;) of the newspapers on the rollers... where did you get that from Seth?

I see no credits for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That picture (&#8221;A traditional printing press&#8221;) of the newspapers on the rollers&#8230; where did you get that from Seth?</p>
<p>I see no credits for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8742</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It simply boils down to not playing nice in the playground.

An example: You tell your mate / girlfriend a juicy story and what is the first thing they ask?

&quot;Where did you hear that?&quot;

Why do they ask that question?

Simply because they want to feel confident with your source and pass the message on.

If you refuse to divulge the source of your juicy story then you lose credibility with your friend.

And the upshot of my maudlin tirade?

The Cape Crimes and all other traditional media lose credibility on a daily basis.

A warning to all traditional media and business in general - if you think that you are Number One or refer to yourself as the Mighty (Insert Name Here) or reckon you have learned it all then it is time to get out of the game boys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It simply boils down to not playing nice in the playground.</p>
<p>An example: You tell your mate / girlfriend a juicy story and what is the first thing they ask?</p>
<p>&#8220;Where did you hear that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do they ask that question?</p>
<p>Simply because they want to feel confident with your source and pass the message on.</p>
<p>If you refuse to divulge the source of your juicy story then you lose credibility with your friend.</p>
<p>And the upshot of my maudlin tirade?</p>
<p>The Cape Crimes and all other traditional media lose credibility on a daily basis.</p>
<p>A warning to all traditional media and business in general &#8211; if you think that you are Number One or refer to yourself as the Mighty (Insert Name Here) or reckon you have learned it all then it is time to get out of the game boys!</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8730</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Local rags such as the Cape Times and the Cape Argus tend to be quite slow on the pick up when it comes to international news. I tend to avoid them as they give me a strong sense of déjà-vu.

From a legal standpoint, news and actuality is generally considered to be in the public domain and you will have a hard time proving any form of copyright. That’s why you won’t see the Cape Times legal department knocking on your door when you print an image or story from their paper. Most bloggers read a combination of traditional and online media outlets and form their own opinion without citing or quoting any sources. This is blogging.

The best they can do is credit you as “2oceansvibe”, but in many cases – they could simply refer to you as a “blogger” or a “website”.

You could of course make a complaint to the Press Council which could force them to print an apology. Worth a shot.
(Just give us a heads up so that we know when to buy the paper! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Local rags such as the Cape Times and the Cape Argus tend to be quite slow on the pick up when it comes to international news. I tend to avoid them as they give me a strong sense of déjà-vu.</p>
<p>From a legal standpoint, news and actuality is generally considered to be in the public domain and you will have a hard time proving any form of copyright. That’s why you won’t see the Cape Times legal department knocking on your door when you print an image or story from their paper. Most bloggers read a combination of traditional and online media outlets and form their own opinion without citing or quoting any sources. This is blogging.</p>
<p>The best they can do is credit you as “2oceansvibe”, but in many cases – they could simply refer to you as a “blogger” or a “website”.</p>
<p>You could of course make a complaint to the Press Council which could force them to print an apology. Worth a shot.<br />
(Just give us a heads up so that we know when to buy the paper! <img src='http://www.2oceansvibe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8726</link>
		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some might consider it plagiarism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some might consider it plagiarism. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism</a></p>
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		<title>By: Duncan B</title>
		<link>http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2009/09/07/should-traditional-media-credit-their-online-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-8711</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not alone. For a discussion of blogs not being credited by traditional media (with a bunch of examples), see http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0416086107.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not alone. For a discussion of blogs not being credited by traditional media (with a bunch of examples), see <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0416086107.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0416086107.shtml</a></p>
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